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Should I Get a Prenup? Everything You Didn’t Know You Needed To Ask with Julia Rodgers of Hello Prenup

January 20, 2025

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When planning a wedding, most couples focus on the fun and exciting details—choosing the perfect venue, designing invitations, and curating a playlist for the dance floor. But there’s one important topic that often gets overlooked: prenups.

Now, I know what you might be thinking—“A prenup? That sounds so unromantic! Won’t that kill the vibe?” But hear me out. This conversation isn’t about preparing for the worst or dampening the excitement of your big day. It’s about empowerment. A prenup is simply another way to build your marriage on a foundation of trust, communication, and clarity. After all, wedding planning is all about thinking ahead—budgeting, seating charts, and coordinating every last detail. A prenup is just another step in planning for your future together.

And here’s the thing: it’s not as intimidating or transactional as it might sound. To help us unpack this topic, I invited Julia Rodgers, CEO and co-founder of Hello Prenup, to join me on the show. Hello Prenup is a groundbreaking platform that makes prenups accessible, affordable, and—dare I say it—approachable. Julia is here to debunk common myths, clarify misconceptions, and highlight the must-knows about prenups so you can make an informed decision that’s best for you and your partner.

I had the pleasure of being a guest on the Hello Prenup podcast with Julia recently. While our conversation focused more on wedding trends than prenups, I immediately knew she was the perfect person to bring this important discussion to our audience.

 

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EPISODE HIGHLIGHTS:

  • 00:00 Understanding Prenups: A Foundation for Trust
  • 02:51 Demystifying Prenups: Myths and Misconceptions
  • 06:02 The Emotional Aspect of Prenups: More Than Just a Contract
  • 09:11 Who Needs a Prenup? Debunking Common Beliefs
  • 11:52 Women and Prenups: Protecting Financial Futures
  • 15:01 Misconceptions and Legal Boundaries of Prenups
  • 17:46 Planning for the Future: Conversations to Have Before Marriage
  • 21:10 Amending Prenups: Flexibility in Changing Circumstances
  • 24:00 Prenups Across State Lines: Validity and Enforcement
  • 27:10 Cultural Perspectives on Prenups
  • 30:45 The Importance of Communication
  • 32:12 Trends in Prenuptial Agreements
  • 35:58 Hello Prenup: A Collaborative Approach
  • 39:09 Modern Prenup Trends and Personalization

 

Who is Julia Rodgers?

Today’s guest is Julia Rodgers, a renowned expert in prenuptial agreements and the founder and CEO of Hello Prenup, a leading platform dedicated to helping couples create prenuptial agreements online. With a background as a family law attorney and a passion for empowering couples to protect their assets and plan their futures, Julia has become a sought-after voice in the field of prenups and consumer-focused legal technology.

Lovers, please help me welcome Julia to the show. Julia, thank you so much for joining me today! Whether you’re already considering a prenup, have never thought about it before, or are just curious about how it fits into modern marriages, this episode is for you. So without further ado, here’s my conversation with Julia from Hello Prenup!

 

What is a prenup (prenuptial agreement)?

A prenup is an agreement that must be drafted and signed before marriage. Essentially, it allows couples to define what is considered separate property and what is marital property—also known as community property in certain states, like California. This becomes important in the event of divorce or death. But I always say that a prenup is so much more than just a legal document—it’s an emotional document. It’s a mission statement, a way to ensure that you and your partner are truly aligned before you embark on marriage.

 

What would you say to someone who thinks prenups are unromantic?

I think the idea that a prenup is inherently unromantic comes from the fact that it feels like a business contract—something formal and structured before marriage. But what people don’t often realize is that marriage itself is a contract. In certain states, everything you earn or create during your marriage is automatically split 50/50 between you and your spouse. This is entirely separate from spousal support or alimony—it’s just the default legal framework. If you get divorced, you must divide your assets according to state law unless you have a prenup. So, whether you acknowledge it or not, you effectively already have a prenup—it’s just dictated by the state.

That’s why I actually disagree with the idea that prenups are unromantic. In my opinion, they’re incredibly romantic because they provide an opportunity to have important conversations about your future together. And what could be more meaningful when you're engaged and preparing for marriage? Discussing topics like: Do we want kids? Will we have a shared bank account? What happens if our in-laws need financial support? Will they live with us if we have children? These discussions are a crucial part of preparing for a life together. So, to me, a prenup isn’t about planning for a divorce—it’s about planning for a strong and healthy marriage.

 

Should you only get a prenup if one side has substantially more assets?

I think everyone getting married should have a prenup. But before anything else, people should understand the laws in their state. Hello Prenup offers a lot of free and accessible information on this, and from what I’ve seen, the vast majority of people who understand their state laws want a prenup. Why? Because they don’t want the government making decisions about their assets, how they’re divided, or whether they’ll have to pay alimony in the future.

One thing that doesn’t get talked about enough is how much discretion family court judges have in divorce cases. This flexibility is meant to help account for individual circumstances, but it also means that when you’re getting divorced, a judge—who doesn’t know you or your family—has a list of factors they must consider when deciding how to divide your assets. You lose control over that decision-making process.

So why leave that up to a stranger in a black robe? If you don’t like that default system, that’s why you get a prenup. And I believe this applies to everyone, regardless of whether you have significant assets, debt, or anything else.

 

Does the prenup only apply to what you have prior to the marriage? Or can it protect future things as well?

A prenup can cover money earned during the marriage, not just premarital assets. There’s a common misconception that prenups only protect what you had before getting married, but that’s not the case.

I also encourage people to think about appreciation on premarital property. For example, if you own a home or investment property before marriage, its value will likely increase over time. Should that appreciation remain separate, or should it be considered marital property?

Other important considerations include student debt, existing or future businesses, intellectual property rights, vested stock, and other financial investments. However, there are certain things a prenup cannot include, such as child custody or child support agreements. You also can’t dictate personal decisions like your spouse’s career choices or the religion your family will practice.

That said, even if some things can’t be legally included in a prenup, having these discussions is incredibly valuable. A prenup provides a structured opportunity to talk through these topics openly and ensure that both partners are on the same page before marriage.

 

Does the prenup only protect the wealthier person?

I think women, in particular, are socially conditioned to feel that wanting money or negotiating around money is unattractive. There’s this stigma that if you earn more, you shouldn’t talk about it, and money often gets wrapped up in negativity. That same mindset carries over when discussing financial protection, including prenups.

A prenup should be protective for both parties, but I think it’s especially important for women—and here’s why. Let’s say you and your partner both have great careers and earn similar salaries when you get married. A few years later, you decide to have kids, and you step away from the workforce to care for them. This is incredibly common—we all know people who have done this. Meanwhile, your spouse’s career trajectory continues to rise.

If you get divorced, you could find yourself at a serious disadvantage. You’ve been out of the workforce while your colleagues have continued advancing, and in many states, alimony or spousal support may not be enough to bridge the gap. Depending on the length of your marriage, the division of assets may not work in your favor either. I’ve seen highly educated, capable women forced to take jobs far below their skill level just to make ends meet after divorce.

A prenup can help prevent this. It allows you and your partner to agree in advance on financial protections if one of you chooses to stay home with the kids. You can structure it to ensure fair financial support, such as lump-sum payments or maintaining a separate bank account so you have your own funds rather than everything being tied up in joint finances or solely in your partner’s account.

Another important topic that has recently gained attention in prenups is reproductive property, which disproportionately affects women. One key example is embryo clauses—something we’ve started including more frequently due to high demand. These clauses allow couples to decide what happens to embryos in the event of divorce or death. There have been multiple court cases where judges ruled against women, often with devastating consequences. Including a provision like this in a prenup can provide clarity and protection if you currently have embryos or might in the future.

Prenups are not just about dividing assets; they’re about ensuring fairness, protection, and having crucial conversations that can safeguard your future.

 

What are some misconceptions about having a prenup?

A common misconception is that you can include child support or custody arrangements in a prenup, but legally, you can’t. In fact, adding clauses like that can actually put your entire prenup at risk of being invalidated in the future.

Another topic that often comes up is weight clauses, which have gained attention due to celebrity culture. While these clauses—where one spouse agrees to maintain a certain weight—are sometimes included in high-profile prenups, they are generally not enforceable. I have seen cases where they were upheld, so it’s not entirely unheard of, but it’s rare.

I think these types of clauses have gained popularity because of their presence in celebrity culture, but when it comes to the enforceability of a prenup, it’s important to focus on provisions that actually hold up in court.

 

Do prenups apply in common law marriages?

Yeah, a prenup becomes effective upon marriage. If you're not planning to get married but are happily living together, you might want to consider a cohabitation agreement. This is an option for couples who are in a committed relationship and plan to stay together without getting married. Many people in long-term relationships choose to have a cohabitation agreement to clarify financial responsibilities and protect both parties.
 

What should a conversation around a prenup include?

Well, in general, you should be discussing all aspects of life planning—because those decisions ultimately impact your finances. Do you plan to follow the FIRE method and retire early? Do you want to travel the world? Do you envision having kids and a house with a white picket fence? And if you do have children, will both of you continue working full-time?

Of course, you can’t predict everything—you don’t have a crystal ball. But having these conversations can help shape the terms you include in your prenup.

When it comes to what finances to include, this is something I find really interesting because there’s often resistance to fully disclosing financial details. But the reality is, you need to lay everything on the table. Full financial disclosure is a requirement in most states, and if you fail to disclose all assets, income, and debts, your prenup could be at risk of being invalidated.

A prenup includes a financial disclosure document, which should cover everything—assets, debts, potential future inheritances (if you want to protect them), business ownership or interest in businesses, stock, even unvested stock. Getting detailed is crucial because transparency is key to ensuring your prenup is legally sound.

 

If future plans change (like someone stays home with their children), does that affect a prenup?

That’s a great question. A well-drafted prenup plans in concepts, not rigid details. Some things—like defining separate property versus marital or community property—are clearly delineated.

But when it comes to topics like having kids and how finances will work around that, a good prenup takes different possible scenarios into account. Because again, you don’t have a crystal ball. Some couples may not even know if they want kids for five or ten years. And sometimes, it’s not until you actually have children that you realize whether you want to stay home or continue working. Goals can change over time.

That being said, there are ways to amend a prenup. In some states, you can amend it directly. In others, amending a prenup essentially turns it into a postnup. However, postnups can be less enforceable in certain states, so it’s not always as simple as just updating your agreement.

If you’re in a situation where your initial agreement no longer fits your circumstances, it’s really important to seek legal counsel in your state. They can help you understand whether amending your prenup or drafting a postnup is the best course of action.

 

You mention knowing state laws, if someone moves does that invalidate the prenup?

In the U.S., we have a legal concept where each state honors contracts from other states. So in your prenup, you include a choice of law provision, which specifies which state's laws will govern the prenup's enforcement.

There are differences between substantive and procedural enforcement, which can get a bit complex, but the short answer is no, moving to another state does not invalidate your prenup.

One common challenge people face today is deciding which state to choose in their prenup. For example, if you live a digital nomad lifestyle and frequently move between two or three states, it can be tricky to determine which jurisdiction makes the most sense. These are really common scenarios nowadays, and they add an interesting layer to prenup planning.

 

What tips do you have for bringing up the prenup conversation?

I think once couples have had the conversation and reached an understanding, the experience is overwhelmingly positive. I always remind people—prenups aren’t scary. Divorce is. Talking about finances isn’t the hard part; not knowing what debts or assets your future spouse has—that’s what’s really scary.

Having these tough conversations early sets your marriage up for success by building a strong foundation. A prenup isn’t about expecting failure—it’s an opportunity for two people to get on the same page so they can move forward together with clarity and confidence. At the end of the day, the goal is to stay married and build a life together.

Having this conversation can be tough, but it’s important to be honest about why you want a prenup. Are your parents divorced? Are you getting married later in life and want to protect the assets you’ve worked hard to build? Is there family pressure involved? With the ongoing great wealth transfer, many families are encouraging prenups, which can add another layer to the discussion.

Vulnerability is key. Where you have this conversation matters just as much as how you approach it. Some couples choose to discuss it in a therapist’s office to help ease discomfort and ensure open communication.

On the other hand, how not to bring it up? Over a few drinks on a random night when it's completely unexpected. The how and where of the conversation are just as important as the conversation itself.

 

What is your advice if one person doesn't want a prenup?

I think the key is to understand why someone is resistant to a prenup. What’s driving that hesitation? Nine times out of ten, it’s fear—fear of the unknown, fear of how the prenup affects them, or the perception that it creates a wall between them and their partner. But that’s not the case.

As we’ve discussed, a well-drafted prenup protects both parties, and most people don’t realize that until they actually go through the process. That’s why it’s important to give your partner time to digest the idea and think it through.

Coming from a place of understanding and open communication is crucial. Be willing to talk through your reasoning and listen to their concerns. At the end of the day, these conversations aren’t just about the prenup—they're essential skills for a strong, healthy marriage. If you can navigate this now, it sets the foundation for better communication in the future.

 

What do you see as a prenup lawyer in terms of family expectations or cultural expectations?

In some cultures, discussing a prenup might be seen as pessimistic or a sign of distrust, while in others—particularly in legal systems where prenups are more common—it’s simply viewed as a practical tool.

Inheritance and family wealth also play a role. Families with significant generational wealth or businesses may encourage—or even require—prenups to ensure assets remain within the family.

Ultimately, a person's views on prenups are often shaped by how they grew up and their overall comfort level with the idea. That’s why in cross-cultural relationships, it’s especially important to discuss the ‘why' behind a prenup. Clear communication ensures that cultural differences don’t lead to misunderstandings and that both partners are aligned on their financial future.

 

Do you have any examples of when a couple initially thought that they were or were not going to get a prenup and then change their mind?

When I was working as an attorney, I handled a prenup case that really stuck with me. The firm was representing a groom whose family was very wealthy, and about a month before the wedding, his parents suddenly decided they wanted him and his fiancée to sign a prenup.

She was completely blindsided. She knew there was some generational wealth involved, but she had no idea of the extent. On top of that, his parents were incredibly forceful—they told him, ‘If this prenup isn’t signed, we’re not paying for the wedding. The wedding is off. We’re disinheriting you.' It was dramatic and put an enormous amount of pressure on both of them.

At that point, I honestly didn’t know if the couple was even going to go through with the wedding. And that was a turning point for me—it was the moment I realized, this is exactly why Hello Prenup needs to exist.

The future bride saw the prenup as something being forced on her by his parents, and she didn’t understand how it could actually benefit her as well. Because of that, she resisted the entire process and wanted no part in the negotiations.

This experience made me see just how crucial collaboration is in prenup discussions. A collaborative approach—where both partners are fully informed and involved—can make all the difference. And that’s a big part of why I started Hello Prenup.

Communication is key. In the end, they did get married, but unfortunately, the breakdown in communication caused lasting damage to the relationship between the bride and her in-laws.

It got to the point where the in-laws would call me, saying, ‘She’s still not talking to us.' The tension never fully resolved, and it deeply affected their family dynamic.

It’s a sad situation, but one that serves as an important reminder—clear, open communication matters. The way these conversations are handled can have a long-term impact, and when communication breaks down, the consequences can be devastating.

 

Are prenups becoming more popular now?

Definitely. And I know prenups are becoming more popular. In fact, 47% of millennials report having a prenup, which is wild to me because 15 years ago, that number was around 5%—maybe even less. That’s a drastic shift.

I think there are a few key reasons behind this trend. Couples are getting married later in life, meaning they’ve already accumulated assets and financial responsibilities. Additionally, 24% of millennials have divorced parents, so they’ve seen firsthand the emotional and financial toll that divorce can take.

On top of that, many millennials carry significant debt, especially student loan debt, which makes financial planning even more important. As a result, more couples are recognizing the value of having open, transparent conversations about money before marriage.

For those who grew up in divorced households, they understand how devastating a divorce can be, and they want to take steps to protect themselves and their relationships from unnecessary conflict down the road.

 

What have you seen are the biggest legal or financial mistakes couples make when they skip getting a prenup?

One of the biggest reasons to get a prenup is if you own a business. Without a prenup, you have no guarantee how your ownership in that business will be affected in a divorce.

I’ve seen plenty of cases where a business owner had to pay out 50% of their business equity to their spouse in a divorce—sometimes totaling millions of dollars more than they actually had in liquid assets.

In that same vein, there's a concept called double dipping when dividing a business in divorce. Essentially, your business equity is divided as an asset, but then you also have to pay alimony or spousal support based on the income from that same business. That can create a huge financial burden for business owners.

So if you’re a business owner, you absolutely should get a prenup.

Another major reason, which I’ve mentioned before, is that women are often at a disadvantage without a prenup—especially in the event of divorce. The motherhood penalty is very real.

If you have kids, the caregiving responsibilities typically fall on you. If a child gets sick and one parent needs to step away from work, it's usually the mother—partly because women, on average, earn less than men, so it makes financial sense in the short term. But over time, that creates a self-fulfilling cycle that impacts long-term financial stability.

Meanwhile, men don’t face the same penalties as parents. In fact, fathers who work full-time often receive a ‘wage bonus' after having kids, which is a stark contrast.

This is why it’s critical for women to protect themselves financially. Getting a prenup isn’t just about safeguarding your assets—it’s about securing your financial future and protecting your family’s well-being.

Leaving things up to state law puts you at significant risk, and a prenup ensures you’re proactively taking control of your financial future.

 

How is HelloPrenup different from traditional prenups?

Absolutely. With a traditional attorney, the process typically works like this:

  1. You hire an attorney.
  2. Your fiancé hires their own attorney.
  3. The wealthier party’s attorney drafts the prenup and sends it to the other side.
  4. Your fiancé’s attorney reviews it, negotiates changes, and the document bounces back and forth.

This process can take several months, and it often feels one-sided, with one party negotiating against an already drafted agreement.

With Hello Prenup, the process is collaborative from the start.

  1. One party signs up and invites their fiancé to participate.
  2. Each person individually answers a set of questions in a structured questionnaire—based on what they want, not what their partner or an attorney has predetermined.
  3. After answering, they go through a negotiation phase, where they work through any differences.
  4. At any point, either party can hire an attorney for full representation or a Q&A session if they need legal advice.

What makes this process so important is that it’s truly collaborative. It ensures that both partners actively participate in creating the agreement.

Instead of a power imbalance where the wealthier partner dictates the terms, Hello Prenup fosters a process where both individuals have equal input—leading to a prenup that is fair, transparent, and mutually beneficial.

It’s so important for both parties to be involved—especially if you’re not the wealthier partner.

Without this kind of process, you might not even realize you have options. Too often, I’ve seen situations where the wealthier partner’s attorney sends over a prenup, and the other person just assumes, ‘This is my only choice. I want to marry them, so I’ll just sign it.'

I’ve heard that story countless times, and it’s dangerous—because that kind of prenup does not represent your best interests. That’s exactly why Hello Prenup was created with a two-party system—so that both people actively participate and communicate throughout the process. It ensures that both partners are informed, engaged, and making decisions together, rather than one party simply accepting whatever is put in front of them.

 

Are there any trends in prenup agreements that reflect more modern relationships like clauses for intellectual property or social media guidelines you feel like that are now coming up that didn't exist before?

For sure. Social media clauses are incredibly popular, and pet clauses are even more common. But what I find most interesting is how couples choose to structure their prenups—specifically, how they define marital or community property versus separate property.

We have a lot of data on this, and the trends are really fascinating:

  • 75% of couples choose to keep their premarital assets completely separate rather than defaulting to their state’s laws.
  • 80% of couples opt to share a joint bank account with their future spouse, showing that while they do want some marital property, it’s done intentionally.
  • 95% of couples keep premarital debt separate, meaning that nearly all couples want to ensure they aren’t responsible for their spouse’s debt.

These trends really highlight how modern couples are approaching marriage with more financial awareness and a strong intent to structure their finances on their own terms rather than simply following traditional legal defaults.

I think we value autonomy and independence, but we also deeply value our relationships and marital bonds. A prenup allows couples to define what that balance looks like for them in a way that feels intentional and personal.

It also creates space for important conversations—not just about legal protections, but about how you want to save, spend, and manage money together. It’s a chance to align on financial values and make sure both partners feel secure in the future they’re building.

 

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For more from Julia Rodgers and Hello Prenup, head to her website or follow her on Instagram.
 

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